
The Black Narcissus : How was the Antaeus?
Persolaise : I really love it – and I’m grateful to you for giving it to me, thank you. I wore it the other day and it kept me company for hours and hours. I could still smell it on myself when I woke up the next day, in fact. I love being greeted by the faintest whisper of perfume, first thing in the morning. Except this was a couple of notches above ‘faintest whisper’.
N is for Neil : Good that we had a ready ‘fume mule’ in my sister.
(note: I picked up this classic vintage Antaeus a couple of years ago for Persolaise, knowing he loves it, in an antique ‘recycle’ shop in Kamakura that no longer exists; took it back to the UK along with a rare Dioressence Eau Parfumée in my suitcase in March; Dariush went to my sister’s workplace in Soho to pick it up the other day).
In the Good Old Days I would have just sent Antaeus in the mail to you, along with some scented CD compilations in a carefully art-collaged envelope. But posting anything from Japan has become impossibly hassle-laden – and you can’t send out so much as a vial.
D is for Dariush : Well, it’s the same in the UK, as you know. I used to love sending vials and small samples to friends and family. I guess something awful must have happened to make them change the rules.
N: I think it was 9/11. And then the anthrax / liquids on planes / bombs etc. All the rules got really draconian after that.
Re Antaeus, by the way, how did you first discover it? Did you spend a lot of time hovering about perfume counters at department stores as a teenager like I did (I found my own treasures like Obsession and Guerlain Vetiver that way). In truth, though, most of my early loves came directly from upstairs in my parents’ bedroom. My mum worked at a department store and always had excellent taste : she bought Chanel Pour Monsieur, Paco Rabanne Pour Homme, Eau Sauvage, and Givenchy Gentleman for my dad, all of which I plundered mercilessly for school – it was an excellent perfumed education – but also No 19, Rive Gauche, Nina, Ysatis, Oscar De La Renta, and many other lovely creations for herself. We never really had any macho scents around – except the vile Dunhill at one point – so I grew up primed for the elegant.
When did you first smell Antaeus?
D: The only answer to this is: I can’t remember.
There are several perfumes to which the following description applies. I don’t know when I first smelt them. I never wore them. I didn’t know anybody who wore them. And yet, I feel as though I’ve always been aware of them, and they’ve always been there, somehow, as part of the general olfactory profile of my life. Antaeus is one of these, as are most classic Guerlains, and the pre-1980s Diors like Miss Dior, Diorella etc.
So, no, I didn’t hang around perfumery counters…except for those managed by my mum, who worked in retail for many years. And this was in Dubai (before it became the blinged-up extravaganza we know now), which was, of course, a superb place for being immersed in perfume.
So I suppose, yes, it was very possible that I could have picked up an Antaeus tester and smelt it while I was at one of the shops my mum managed, but I don’t have a memory of doing this.
I didn’t properly, ‘consciously’ discover the scent until much later, when I was in my late 20’s, I’d say, and then it was instant love.
N: Antaeus was always one of those ‘look, don’t touch’ perfumes for me. I was deeply compelled by that dark, peppered black onyx; so HARD; shiny; impenetrable – but I could never have worn it. I fell in love with Pour Monsieur instead (in the après rasage format in particular – I still dream of finding a vintage version again).
D: I think I know what you mean. And your words touch on one of the many, many things I think about when I wear and consider Antaeus.
It’s a real ‘geek out’ perfume for me, in the sense that wearing it is as much a physical, visceral experience as it is a rational, intellectual one. I both feel it and think about it.
I’ve never thought about this before, but I think that must be what defines my favourite perfumes: they are the ones that speak to my soul AND my heart AND my gut AND my mind.
I find it quite mesmerizing. Hypnotic.
N: It really is.
We must discuss vintage vs current.
The last time I tried the Chanels in-store at some Yokohama concession, the Antaeus was recognizably Antaeus – that pencil led/ granite hardness – but it also felt attenuated; thinner. That’s why I bought you this – I was curious to hear how similar/ different you find it to the original. The current Pour Monsieur on display smelled DISGUSTING – like fly spray with some faint oudh chemical in the base – a catastrophe.
D: Well, this is what I wanted to ask you about it…although I’m aware we could be opening a massive can of worms, going down a dangerous rabbit hole (insert metaphor of choice), because this is such a contentious area.
The geek in me wants to do a side by side smell session of this bottle you’ve give me with the newer one in my collection. (Mind you, I think even the ‘newer’ one is about 12 years old). I really must do it. I suspect it’ll reveal what you say; that the older one feels harder somehow…..more in keeping with the the classical allusion in the name.
(note by N: I just had to check origins of Antaeus as I didn’t know;
‘In Greek mythology, Antaeus was the son of the Earth goddess Gaia, and the sea god Poseidon, who was invincible as long as he was in contact with the earth. He challenged all travellers passing through his land to a wrestling match, killing the defeated and using their skulls to build a temple for his father. Heracles defeated Antaeus by discovering the source of his strength and lifting him off the ground to crush him in a powerful bear hug.’
(Ah……. so almost invincible, but with an Achilles’ heel – an appealing vulnerabilty lying beneath all the posturing. ) I like this element to Antaeus.
D. Awful confession coming – I’m not actually a vintage obsessive. And I do really love current Antaeus…or at least the bottle in my collection.
But generally speaking, wouldn’t you say that Chanel have done a good job of maintaining the standard of their scents?
And as for Pour Monsieur , I haven’t smelt whatever’s been the current version for years, but I wondered if you picked up the edp, which has never been all that great.
N: Up Geek Creek!
I mean obviously I am way more the ‘Vintage Queen’ – with all the Japanese flea market and antique shops finds I have had over the years and my gushing constantly about them all on The Black Narcissus, it’s probably what I am known for, but I do remember that when you stayed at ours with Madame P in 2017 you went straight for my Caron Bellodgia parfum on the dresser and sussed out immediately that I had added cloves – or that the cloves were way more prominent than they should have been. A veritable Dariush Poirot! You know your stuff, bitch!
But I must disagree about at least one Chanel perfume. I have lived with bottle after bottle of vintage No 19 extrait, and I know for a fact that aside the initial hoodwinking iris in the current version, they bear NO resemblance. Having said that, I prefer contemporary No 5.
D: The whole question of vintage is such a minefield, for so many reasons.
We often talk about these things as though prior to some arbitrary date (1985? 1988?) all perfume formulae were set in stone and never altered. But that’s just not the case. Indeed, in terms of pure consistency, ‘quality control’ (yuck), was probably far worse in the past than it is now.
I remember Frederic Malle saying that when he was working on the Legacy versions of some of the Lauder classics, a major problem was that there was no such thing as a definitive formula for many of the perfumes. I’m sure he wasn’t exaggerating.
So, going back to your example of No 19 (I treasure the bottle of extrait I found in Japan) I’m sure that from one batch to another there would have been differences in the galbanum, the iris, the vetiver etc.
And then there’s the whole question of how and old bottle had been stored; whether it had sufficient oxygen it it to start warping the contents blah blah.
It’s all so complicated, and sometimes I think life is just too short to worry about such things.
N: But the Antaeus I smelled recently – while initially far superior to the Pour Monsieur – really great top notes – just didn’t have the stamina of the version I grew up with.
Which is precisely why I wanted you to have the sweaty bollock original.
How was the Dioressence, incidentally?
D: I’ve just had two sniffs so far, but the drydown is beautiful. And it’s so NOT Guerlain and NOT Chanel. The Dior couture thing was so distinctive in those older scents.
N: Dior is so CRUEL – in a magnificent way.
D: Cruel or Cruella?
N: I do feel this was just a bit of a clapped out old fag hag but Cruel AND Cruella; Dumb And Dumber – a failed Opium but with more class. And I LOVED the bottle….that blue….it was hard to relinquish.
D: I’m very grateful. But let’s save this for Part Deux…
Back to perspiring privates.
Now you have bought cojones into the discussion (I was wondering when that would happen!) This makes me want to ask several questions, but I’ll start with one…
What do you think of the word ‘sexy’ being used to describe perfume?
N: I mean Kouros is INSANELY sexy so I can definitely do crotch jock.
Antaeus is also hot AF : : : THE OTHER (and why I could never wear it – Cristalle is as manly as I can get Chanel-wise)
D: Yes, yes, but I meant in a more general way: what do you think of ‘sexy’ as a descriptor of perfume?
N: It can’t be helped. People can’t describe scent. They can’t all wax lyrical like the perfumisti – something is either ‘fresh’, ‘sexy’, or ‘strong’.
Luca Turin got it wrong when he claimed that perfume is not used primarily as a sex magnet. The vast majority of the populace simply DO wear scent as a moronic charm substitute. A juice for rutting.
Re ‘sexy’ – if you combed through both of our ‘blogs’, you are right, the S word might never/hardly come up – but you can be sure that on most of the TokTik perfume video channels, all the false eyelashes and glitterbeardies are using it all the time.
D: Okay, so in a way you’ve answered my question. I’m not especially interested in why other people may or not use the word ‘sexy’ – I wanted to know what you think of it, and I think you’ve strongly implied what your view is.
Personally, I HATE it. I think it’s one of the most reductive terms of all time. One of the rules I set for myself when I started Persolaise was that I would NEVER use it. I was also determined not to use it in my book. I just think that, through sheer overuse, it has become utterly meaningless. And terribly lazy..
And yet…and yet..
Ubiquity aside, it is of course, a brilliant word. And there are some (not many) perfumes that genuinely deserve it. And I think Antaeus is one of them.
I find it so fascinating that you went for that very particular anatomical description earlier, because I think Antaeus absolutely radiates ‘below the waist’ energy. And I think that’s another reason I love it. Because even though I geek out on it and enjoying intellectualising about it, it has this presence, like this sardonically smiling thing lounging on a plush sofa, giving me a direct stare, saying ‘All that geeky stuff is all well and good, but let’s be honest: we both know why you really like me.’
Whether or not it makes ME feel like some kind of magnetic stud is something I’m not sure I can answer. But I do know that the PERFUME projects that sort of feel.
Do you ever ‘see’ perfumes as equating to parts of the body? I’ve just said that I think Antaeus is ‘below the waist’ (lots of hip swaying; maybe some Latin beats playing in the background) but I think some perfumes are ‘head’ perfumes, some are ‘gut’, some are ‘chest’, some are ‘arms’.
Does this resonate with you at all?
N: YES
































